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AMD Officially Announces 2nd Generation Ryzen Threadripper Processors

August 6, 2018 — by ThinkComputers.org0


AMD has just officially announced its second-generation Ryzen Threadripper high-end desktop (HEDT) processor series. The first chip from this series will drop on August 13th and will be the flagship Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX. This is a 32-core, 64-thread part with a base clock of 3.0 GHz and will boost up to 4.2 GHz. It will be priced at $1799.

The next chip to drop will be the Ryzen Threadripper 2950X on August 31st. It is a 16-core, 32-thread part that has a base clock of 3.5 GHz and boosts up to 4.4 GHz. You’ll be able to pick this chip up for $899, which is $100 cheaper than its predecessor.

The next two chips will be released in October, they include the Ryzen Threadripper 2970WX and 2920X. The 2970WX is a 24-core, 48-thread part that runs at 3.0 GHz and boosts up to 4.2 GHz. It can be yours for $1299. The 2920X is a 12-core, 24-thread part which runs at 3.5 GHz and boosts up to 4.3 GHz. It will be $649, which is $150 cheaper than its predecessor the 1920X.

You’ll notice that the higher core count chips have a “WX” extension, this is because AMD is targeting the 24-core and 32-core parts at pro-sumers, where as the lower core count “X” chips will be targeted at high-end gaming builds.

All of these parts are based on the new 12 nm “Pinnacle Ridge” die, which we saw on the second generation Ryzen AM4 family of processors. This die shows a 3-5 percent increase in IPC improvement. Threadripper chips are still a multi-chip module with 2 to 4 of these dies depending on the SKU.

All four SKUs listed are compatible with existing TR4 motherboards based on the AMD X399 chipset, just requiring a BIOS update.

AMD has begun taking pre-orders for the flagship 32-core Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX.

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AMD Threadripper II 2990X Listed for $1850 US, $2399 CAD

July 30, 2018 — by ThinkComputers.org0


AMD’s upcoming Ryzen Threadripper II 2990X has appeared on the Canadian hardware etailer CanadaComputers. The processor is listed for $2399 CAD, which when you convert it comes out to around $1850 USD. The product page appears to list the chip as a “in-store back order” so the pricing should be close to the final MSRP.

The product page also shows the first generation Ryzen Threadripper packaging, but we don’t expect this to be the real retail packaging for Threadripper II. While we do not have any official word on what the TDP of this chip will be CanadaComputers lists it at 250W.


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First Intel Core i9-9900K Benchmarks Appear, Beat Ryzen 7 2700X

July 30, 2018 — by ThinkComputers.org0


Some of the first benchmarks of Intel’s upcoming 8-core, 16-thread Core i9-9900K have surfaced. These come from Thai professional overclocker TUM APISAK. A 3DMark database entry shows this processor scoring 10,719 in the CPU tests of the 3DMark Time Spy benchmark. It also had an overall score of 9,862 point when paired with a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti graphics card.

This CPU Score is about 2,500 points higher than the Intel’s own 6-core, 12-thread Core i7-8700K and 1,500 points higher than AMD’s 8-core, 12-thread Ryzen 7 2700X. The tested processor was not identified, but features 8-cores, 16-threads, and had a base clock of 3.10 GHz and boosted up to 5.0 GHz. Intel is expected to launch the 8-core, 16-thread Core i9-9900K on August 1, 2018.


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AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Processor Review

July 30, 2018 — by ThinkComputers.org0


This past year has been a real exciting one for processors. Before AMD launched their original Ryzen processors they were basically written off and dominated in the CPU world by Intel. AMD changed all of that with Ryzen, which proved to be one of the most exciting product launches in AMD history. It gave real competition to Intel in mainstream desktop space, so much so that Intel rushed out their “Coffee Lake” chips which came with increased core counts. At that time Intel remained on top with their 6-core, 12-thread Core i7-8700K, but today we are still going to see if that remains true. We have the new flagship AMD Ryzen 7 2700X which is a 8-core, 16-thread part which retails for only $329. Will this be the new king in the mainstream desktop platform? Read on as we find out!

Special thanks to AMD for providing us with the Ryzen 7 2700X Processor to review.

# of CPU Cores: 8
# of Threads: 16
Base Clock: 3.7GHz
Max Boost Clock: 4.3GHz
Total L1 Cache: 768KB
Total L2 Cache: 4MB
Total L3 Cache: 16MB
Unlocked: Yes
CMOS: 12nm FinFET
Package: AM4
PCI Express Version: PCIe 3.0 x16
Thermal Solution: Wraith Prism with RGB LED
Default TDP / TDP: 105W
Max Temps: 85°C

The Ryzen 7 2700X packaging is pretty much the same as the first generation Ryzen packaging. On the front we have the Ryzen logo in the center and on the bottom right there is a “7” denoting that it is part of the Ryzen 7 family.

On one side there is a picture of the Wraith Prism CPU cooler that comes inside of the package and on the other side there is a see-through window that shows the processor.

Getting everything out of the main box you find two boxes. One has your CPU with case badge and the other houses the Wraith Prism cooler.

Here are quick shots of the processor before you installed it in our system.

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Intel Confirms 10nm CPUs For Late 2019, New 14nm Products Expected in 2018 and 2019 – Will Deliver New Desktop Core-X, Core-S and HEDT Cascade Lake-X 28 Core Processors

July 27, 2018 — by Wccftech.com0


Intel has announced record earnings in the second quarter of 2018 which we have covered here. During the earnings call, Intel revealed details on their 10nm process and the related products which are now expected to be introduced in the fall of 2019. Aside from that, Intel also confirmed plans to release new 14nm products during the current and upcoming year which we will detail in this post.

Intel Announces 10nm CPUs and Systems in Holiday Season of 2019, New 14nm Products Coming Soon

Starting with 10nm, we all know about the production woes Intel is facing with this specific node and has already gone through several delays. We were expecting the first products this year but looks like Intel will now be launching 10nm CPU powered systems in the second half of 2019. The exact timeframe is mentioned around holiday season which puts it close to fall 2019 to be exact.

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According to Intel, the first 10nm CPUs would go under mass production in the first half of 2019. This means that 10nm CPUs will be under High Volume Manufacturing next year. Some products may launch by the end of this year but they would still be branded under the 8th generation CPU branding due to yields being of low volume.

We continue to make progress on 10-nanometer. Yields are improving with the timelines we shared in April. And yes, you’re quite right. The systems on shelves that we expect in holiday 2019.

Venkata SM Renduchintala @ Intel Via Seeking Alpha

So good progress on 10-nanometer and what we think is a very good lineup on the 14-nanometer product for next year on both client and server that we think will deliver best-in-class performance as we continue to ramp 10-nanometer.

Bob Swan Interim CEO @ Intel Via Seeking Alpha

While Intel is aiming for 10nm CPU launch on the consumer front by the end of 2019, the year will still see major products based on 14nm process node. We know that the 10nm server products are not expected till 2020 with the Ice Lake Scalable Processor family and 2019 would see Cooper Lake Scalable family serving as an intermediary solution between Cascade Lake-SP (14nm) and Ice Lake-SP (10nm). We might get to see a range of desktop or notebook aimed processor lineups available during the fall which make sense for a holiday season aimed lineup but for the workstation/server segment, 10nm is only to be expected in 2020. A recently leaked roadmap also confirms this which you can see over here.

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Intel To Expand 14nm Family With New 9th Gen Mainstream Desktop, 22 Core Core-X, 28 Core Cascade Lake-X CPUs and Cascade Lake-SP/Cooper Lake-SP in 2018-2019

As for the desktop, high-end desktop and server market, 14nm is here to stay till 2019. On the mainstream front, Intel has plans to deliver a new 14nm S-series processor lineup which is going to be branded under the 9th generation family for desktop PCs. We know from leaked details that the Core i9-9900K will be the flagship processor of this lineup and would feature 8 core and 16 thread configuration which is same as AMD’s current generation flagship, the Ryzen 7 2700X on the mainstream front.

Intel 9th Generation Core Family CPU Official Specifications:

Processor Name Process Cores / Threads Base Clock Boost Clock Cache TDP Price
Core i9-9900K 14nm++ 8 / 16 3.6 GHz 5.0 GHz (1/2 Core)
4.8 GHz (4 Core)
4.7 GHz (6/8 Core)
16 MB 95W ~450 USD
Core i7-9700K 14nm++ 8 / 8 3.6 GHz 4.9 GHz (1 Core)
4.8 GHz (2 Core)
4.7 GHz (4 Core)
4.6 GHz (6/8 Core)
12 MB 95W ~350 USD
Core i5-9600K 14nm++ 6 / 6 3.7 GHz 4.6 GHz (1 Core)
4.5 GHz (2 Core)
4.4 GHz (4 Core)
4.3 GHz (6 Core)
9 MB 95W ~250 USD
Core i5-9600 14nm++ 6 / 6 3.1 GHz 4.5 GHz 9 MB 65W TBD
Core i5-9500 14nm++ 6 / 6 3.0 GHz 4.3 GHz 9 MB 65W TBD
Core i5-9400 14nm++ 6 / 6 2.9 GHz 4.1 GHz 9 MB 65W TBD
Core i5-9400T 14nm++ 6 / 6 1.8 GHz 3.4 GHz 9 MB 35W TBD
Core i3-9100 14nm++ 4 / 4 3.7 GHz N/A 6 MB 65W TBD
Core i3-9000 14nm++ 4 / 4 3.7 GHz N/A 6 MB 65W TBD
Core i3-9000T 14nm++ 4 / 4 3.2 GHz N/A 6 MB 35W TBD

Gregory Bryant gives the audience a look at PCs running a 28-core single socket processor that delivers unprecedented levels of single and multi-threaded capacity. (Credit: Intel Corporation)

On the HEDT front, Intel is going to be segmenting their Core family into high-end and ultra high-end brands. The Core-X brand would be based on the 14nm process, featuring up to 22 cores on existing X299 platform. As for the other platform, we will be looking at a top of the line processor lineup with more cores than current ones. A 28 core, 56 thread Cascade Lake-X CPU was already shown and demonstrated by Intel at Computex on the new LGA 3647 socketed platform, which comes with hexa-channel memory support. There are limited details on the CPUs themselves but we will be hearing soon when these processors launch later this year.

Intel HEDT Processor Families:

Intel HEDT Family Gulftown Sandy Bridge-E Ivy Bridge-E Haswell-E Broadwell-E Skylake-X Kaby Lake-X Cascade Lake-X
Process Node 32nm 32nm 22nm 22nm 14nm 14nm+ 14nm++ 14nm++
Flagship SKU Core i7-980X Core i7-3960X Core i7-4960X Core i7-5960X Core i7-6950X Core i7-7000 Core i7/i5-7000 Series Core i7-8000 series
Max Cores/Threads 6/12 6/12 6/12 8/16 10/20 18/36 (2017)
22/44 (2018)
4/8 28/56
Clock Speeds 3.33/3,60 GHz 3.30/3.90 GHz 3.60/4.00 GHz 3.00/3.50 GHz 3.00/3.50 GHz 2.60/4.20 GHz 4.30/4.50 GHz TBD
Max Cache 12 MB L3 15 MB L3 15 MB L3 20 MB L3 25 MB L3 24.75 MB L3 8 MB L3 TBD
Max PCI-Express Lanes 32 Gen2 40 Gen2 40 Gen3 40 Gen3 40 Gen3 44 Gen3 16 Gen3 TBD
Chipset Compatiblity X58 Chipset X79 Chipset X79 Chipset X99 Chipset X99 Chipset X299 X299 TBD
Socket Compatiblity LGA 1366 LGA 2011 LGA 2011 LGA 2011-3 LGA 2011-3 LGA 2066 LGA 2066 LGA 3647
Memory Compatiblity DDR3-1066 DDR3-1600 DDR3-1866 DDR4-2133 DDR4-2400 DDR4-2667 DDR4-2667 DDR4-2800
Max TDP 130W 130W 130W 140W 140W 165W-200W 112W ~250W
Launch Q1 2010 Q4 2011 Q3 2013 Q3 2014 Q2 2016 Q3 2017 Q2 2017 Q4 2018
Launch Price $999 US $999 US $999 US $1059 US $1700 US $1999 US $339 US TBD

As technology continues to evolve and become more data-centric, the desktop PC remains a versatile go-to platform for gamers, content creators, and prosumers. In fact, when people really need to get work done, over 80 percent turn to their PC. At Intel, we’re excited by how far the PC has come and the opportunities that lie ahead.

From the first Intel 8086 processor to the latest 8th Gen Intel Core i7-8086K processor delivering up to 5 GHz, here are some innovative ways Intel delivered leading performance in desktop PCs this past year, as we look to deliver new Intel Core X-series and S-series processors and 28-core processor leadership offerings later this year. via Intel

Next up, we have the Whitely platform which will feature two Xeon Scalable Families. First one is the Cooper Lake-SP family which will be introduced at the end of 2019. The Cooper Lake CPUs will retain the 14nm process node and feature small efficiency enhancements but will be supported by a completely new platform known as Whitley which is the successor to Purley.

This will be the last Intel 14nm server family before they finally move on to the new 10nm process for servers in 2020 with Ice Lake-SP. In total, the 2018-2019 14nm roadmap from Intel would look something like the following:

  • 2018 Mainstream Desktop: Coffee Lake-S 9th Generation (LGA 1151)
  • 2018 HEDT Core-X Desktop: Skylake-X (LGA 2066 V2)
  • 2018 Ultra HEDT Core-X Desktop: Cascade Lake-X (LGA 3647)
  • 2018 Server/Workstation: Cascade Lake-SP (LGA 3647)
  • 2019 Server Workstation: Cooper Lake-SP (LGA 4189)

We will be providing you with more details in the coming quarter when these products get near to their expected launch timeframe.

Intel Xeon SP Families:

Family Branding Skylake-SP Cascade Lake-SP/AP Cooper Lake Ice Lake-SP/AP
Process Node 14nm+ 14nm++ 14nm++ 10nm+
Platform Name Intel Purley Intel Purley Intel Whitley Intel Whitley
MCP (Multi-Chip Package) SKUs No Expected Expected Expected
Socket LGA 3647 LGA 3647 TBA LGA 4189
Max Core Count Up To 28 Up To 28 TBA TBA
Max Thread Count Up To 56 Up To 56 TBA TBA
Max L3 Cache 38.5 MB L3 38.5 MB L3 TBA TBA
Memory Support DDR4-2666 6-Channel DDR4-2933 6-Channel TBA 8-Channel
TDP Range 140W-205W 165W-205W TBA Up To 230W
Competition AMD EPYC Naples 14nm AMD EPYC Rome 7nm AMD EPYC Rome 7nm AMD EPYC Milan 7nm+
Launch 2017 2018 2019 2020
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No 16-core AMD Ryzen AM4 Chips Till After 7nm EPYC Launch (2019)

July 27, 2018 — by ThinkComputers.org0


During its Q2-2018 investors conference call AMD gave some hints of when it plans to launch its 3rd generation Ryzen processors, which will be based on the “Zen2” architecture. AMD CEO Lisa Su said in a Q&A portion of the call that the rollout of 7 nm Ryzen processors will only come after the launch of 7 nm EPYC. This basically means that we will not see the rumored 16-core Ryzen desktop processor till at least some time in 2019.

AMD’s 2nd generation EPYC processors will be based on the 7 nm “Rome” silicon. As of now AMD has completed the tape-out of “Rome” and is sending samples out to its industry partners for further testing and validation. The first EPYC products based on this silicon will roll out in 2019. AMD is also using the 7 nm process for a new “Vega” GPU which it also has taped-out and the first enterprise-segment product based off it will launch within 2018.

With AMD’s “Zen 2” Ryzen products being slated for 2019 it does not appear AMD will be able to counter Intel’s upcoming 14 nm 8-core “Whiskey Lake” silicon. Although we have heard rumors of a yet to be released Ryzen 7 2800X.

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Intel Core i9 8-core LGA1151 Processor Could Get Soldered IHS

July 26, 2018 — by ThinkComputers.org0


Intel currently uses a fluid thermal interface material between the processor die and IHS (integrated heatspreader) on its processors and this has been a big complaint of PC enthusiasts. AMD uses a soldered IHS, which is believed to be more effective in heat transfer, across its Ryzen line of processors. Recent reports have been saying that at least Intel’s upcoming flagship processor the Core i9-9900K will come with a soldered IHS.

The Core i9-9900K will be an 8-core, 16-thread part running at 3.6 GHz and boosting all the way up to 5.0 GHz. With that much power having a soldered IHS will definitely help out with thermals as we noticed very high temperatures when testing the 6-core, 12-thread Core i7-8700K. It will be interesting to see if Intel does this with their entire 9th generation Core series or just the i9-9900K.

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AMD Ryzen 5 2500X Shows Up In OEM Desktop

July 26, 2018 — by ThinkComputers.org0


Ahead of its launch the AMD Ryzen 5 2500X quad-core processor has made an appearance in an OEM pre=built desktop, the Acer Nitro N50-100. The 2500X is a 4-core, 8-thread part which is clocked at 3.6 GHz and boosts up to 4.0 GHz, and can go even further with XFR 2.0. It is expected to launch at the same time as the new entry level Ryzen 3 2300X as well as the HEDT Ryzen Threadripper 2000 series processors later this year.

The system is priced at 943.50€ ($1,098.35 USD) and puts the Ryzen 5 2500X with a Radeon RX 580 4GB graphics card, 8GB of single-channel DDR4, a 256 GB SSD, 1TB HDD, and a DVD-RW ODD. The system also features 802.11 b/g/n networking, USB 3.1 gen 2, and Windows 10 Home is pre-installed.

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Intel 9th Generation Core Parts Detailed

July 26, 2018 — by ThinkComputers.org0


Intel looks to be working on their 9th generation Core processor family. With this we will see the first introduction of an 8-core part to the LGA115x mainstream desktop (MSDT) platform. Intel will also be making some brand changes within MSDT, with the Core i9 brand being brought in. Core i9 will symbolize 8-core, 16-thread parts, Core i7 will be 8-core, 8-thread parts (more cores, but fewer threads than current Core i7 parts), and Core i5 will be unchanged at 6-core, 6-thread parts. The 9th generation Core processor family will be based on the new 14 nm+++ “Wiskey Lake” silicon, which is a “Skylake” refinement, so do not expect per-core IPC improvements.

So to start off we will have the flagship Core i9-9900K. This is an 8-core, 16-thread part that features the full 16 MB of shared L3 cache available on the silicon. It is clocked at 3.60 GHz and can boost all the way up to 5.0 GHz. So you’ll get 5.0 GHz across 1-3 cores, 4.80 GHz across 4 cores, and 4.7 GHz across 6 to 8 cores. The TDP of the chip remains the same as its predecessor at 95W.

Next up is the Core i7-9700K, which is a successor to the Core i7-8700K. It packs in 8 cores, but lacks HyperTjhreading. It also runs at a base clock of 3.6 GHz and boosts up to 4.9 GHz. You will get the 4.9 GHz on a single core, 4.8 GHz on 2 cores, 4.7 GHz on 4 cores, and 4.6 GHz on 4 to 6 cores. The L3 cache has been reduced as well down to 12 MB.

Lastly we have the Core i5-9600K, which is a 6-core, 6-thread part running at 3.7 GHz and boosting up to 3.7 GHz. So you’ll get 4.6 GHz on one core, 4.5 GHz on 2 cores, 4.4 GHz on 4 cores, and 4.3 GHz on all cores. The L3 cache is set at 9 MB.

All three chips will be backwards compatible with current 300-series chipsets with a BIOS update. Intel is expected to launch these chips towards the end of Q3 2018.


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Apple's slim MacBook Pro design could be holding back its i9 CPU

July 19, 2018 — by Engadget.com0

Dana Wollman/Engadget

The 2018 15-inch MacBook Pro lets you crank up the processor power by swapping in an Intel 2.9GHz six-core Core i9 CPU for an extra $300. But the chip seems to be struggling when it’s handling power-hungry tasks, to the point where the average clock speed is vastly below the advertised performance of the CPU. Some tests even showed that it fared worse than the i7 model.

That i9 processor can supposedly Turbo Boost to 4.8GHz, but some users are noticing that the chip is struggling when it is under heavy load. YouTuber Dave Lee’s testing showed average speeds of around 2.2GHz when the i9 system is running Adobe Premiere Pro, which is a demanding application. Render times were slower with the i9 than the i7, though the i9 configuration operates when kept cool (in this case by putting the computer in a freezer). The reason for the lackluster performance seems to be the laptop’s design, and more specifically, how it handles cooling.

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Intel’s thermal design point (or TDP) regulates how hot a processor can get to when it is unboosted, and guides manufacturers on their computer designs so they can keep the CPU cool enough. Desktop computers have more physical space in which to move air around, so they can handle a processor with a higher TDP, but the thinner chassis of laptops means it’s harder to keep components cool, and the TDP of their processors is typically lower than in desktops.

The i9 has a TDP of 45 watts, the same as the i7, according to Intel. That means the chips should, in theory, operate with the same effectiveness using the same cooling system at their base clocks. As long as a processor stays cool, it can exceed its normal clock speed and venture into Turbo Boost territory. But doing so increases the temperature, and as the CPU gets hotter, it slows down to aid the cooling system in dispersing heat.

The i9’s Turbo clock is 4.8GHz, which will generate a lot more heat than the i7’s 4.4GHz. As these Turbo speeds aren’t factored into the TDP, the confined spaces of a MacBook Pro are clearly causing problems for Apple at the higher clock rates.

It’s common for any computer to throttle performance when the internal temperature hits a certain point. Keeping machines and people safe is ultimately more important than completing tasks faster. However, the CPU and GPU share the same cooling system in a MacBook Pro, so if you’re using a graphics-heavy app, performance might stutter even more.

But not all hope is lost for those with an i9 configuration who are frustrated with the sluggish performance. If it chooses to, Apple could resolve or mitigate the issue with a firmware update that kicks in the fans sooner, regulates how long the CPU can stay overclocked or tweaks